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 From:  RAZORBLADES & HURRICANES (RANTZ HOSELEY)
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932.1 

That's right, starting at approximately 7am PST, 10am EST Dave Sim will be here to answer questions, talk about his new project Glamourpuss, as well as the craft of comics, and the marketing promotion of the aforementioned.

For those of you trying to break in to this biz, this is a valuable opportunity to learn from a man who's been around the block more times than most of us can ever hope to. Dave doesn't 'do the internet', so don't miss out on this chance!

See you all here on Monday!



Rantz Hoseley

EDITED: 9 Feb 2008 by RANTZ HOSELEY

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 From:  Mark Ashworth (TH_MOLE)
 To:  RAZORBLADES & HURRICANES (RANTZ HOSELEY)   10 Feb 2008
932.2 In reply to 932.1 

If this will be done here in a thread, I will be interested in reading it when I get home.

If it is not, will a transcript be available?


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 From:  RAZORBLADES & HURRICANES (RANTZ HOSELEY)
 To:  Mark Ashworth (TH_MOLE)   10 Feb 2008
932.3 In reply to 932.2 

It will be done here, in this thread.

the cerebusfangirl.com site also has archives of all of the various forum chatter from this 'tour'



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 From:  THE Derek (DEREK_MCCULLOCH)
 To:  RAZORBLADES & HURRICANES (RANTZ HOSELEY)   10 Feb 2008
932.4 In reply to 932.3 
Good thing I'm up every day at 6:15 anyway.

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 From:  jorge f. muñoz (YORKO)
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I'm just gonna say KUDOS to Rantz for making this happen, Sim is one of my personal favorites.
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 From:  Chrismidweeker (CHRISRICE)
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Hopefully this'll still be in full swing when I get home from work here in the UK.
Well done on getting him over here Rantz, I didn't find out about the Newsarama one until it was all over.

Chris Rice

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 From:  Leland (LELANDPURVIS)
 To:  RAZORBLADES & HURRICANES (RANTZ HOSELEY)   11 Feb 2008
932.7 In reply to 932.1 

Looking forward to this, Rantz.

Not that I'm really interested in having moderators play Miss-Manners with a wooden ruler, but I can easily see how a potentially valuable thread might get seriously derailed by snark and and history rehash.

Are there any general ground-rules you'll be expecting folks to abide by?


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 From:  RAZORBLADES & HURRICANES (RANTZ HOSELEY)
 To:  Leland (LELANDPURVIS)   11 Feb 2008
932.8 In reply to 932.7 
Like real life, no politics or religon discussion... keep it to comics please. Follow those rules and all should be a positive experience, and useful to those trying to make a go of it in the nutty world of comics.


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 From:  RAZORBLADES & HURRICANES (RANTZ HOSELEY)
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Since I will be taking my progeny to school when Dave first gets here, and in keeping with the Featured Creator format I'll open with a couple of questions for Dave to answer when he first arrives.

- Why fashion? Is it strictly because of the appeal of the craftsmanship of those old 'soap opera' newspaper strips that you are making a stylistic nod to in GP, or is there something about the industry itself that drew your interest.

- In Following Cerebus 8 (9?) you had a LOOOONG interview with Neal Adams about the history of advertising illustration and its relationship to the aforementioned strips. Was that interview one of the 'spark' points for the genesis of GP?

- in that same interview, Adams mentioned the Gillotte nibs for inking... have you gotten to try these 'miracle nibs' yet?

- From a production side, is GP being drawn in the same methods (paper/board stock, pen types, size of original art, etc) as Cerebus was?

- Dealing with marketing... one of the frequent points of discussion here is marketing indie books and the most effective methods. The idea of calling retailers has been discussed here previously, and I know you've been doing that with GP. How has retailer reaction been to this approach?

- You have a completed OGN besides GP... what made you decude to launch GP before the OGN?

back to pages, I'll post some more questions during my next cig break.



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 From:  Lew Costello (LEWISC)
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932.10 
Ah- If I may on behalf of Shane Chebsey.

In the Comics Village thread, he just missed you, and was fairly gutted. His question-

Since you can't make the Bristol Expo, would you like to come to the Birmingham Show?

Thanks. ;-)
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 From:  Chris Beckett (CHRISBECKETT)
 To:  RAZORBLADES & HURRICANES (RANTZ HOSELEY)   11 Feb 2008
932.11 In reply to 932.9 
Mr. Sim,

thank you for your time today. I will be at work with no internet connection during most of the day and wished to leave a question for you as well.

And it actually jumps off from one of Rantz's queries.
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Dealing with marketing... one of the frequent points of discussion here is marketing indie books and the most effective methods. The idea of calling retailers has been discussed here previously, and I know you've been doing that with GP. How has retailer reaction been to this approach?


You are in the enviable position - one that you worked hard to earn - of being a "known quantity." Retailers worth their salt will realize that with GLAMOURPUSS they will be getting a book from a creator who understands how to tell a compelling story within this medium as well as a book that will ship on time.

I wonder if you might discuss how you might differentiate - if you even would - between a seasoned professional marketing an indie book and unknowns trying to do the same.

Thank you,
chris beckett
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 From:  Leland (LELANDPURVIS)
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Dave,
First of all, thank you for taking the time and effort to meet with people here at P&P. You used to make a point of getting out and meeting readers, maybe this will be the beginning of something you do more often online.

As years go by, artists and writers often change their views dramatically on their earlier work. When was the last time you read Cerebus all through, and how do you feel about it now? Are there sequences that stand out now which make you wince or grin? Are there things you would change or do differently?
Leland


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 From:  A. Dave Lewis (ADLEWIS)
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I'm mostly just writing to say hello to Dave, again, and thank him (publicly!) for his hospitality and consideration back in 2005 with the Day Prize and S.P.A.C.E. convention. I had an excellent time, and I found him to be a very thoughtful guy in person; he was even happy to share his birthday celebration with me!

In his speech about that year's Day Prize, Dave noted his difference of viewpoint with The Lone and Level Sands but also his appreciation of being able to agree to disagree. That really struck me as more fair-minded than many people allow for him, and it's a tone I like to maintain.

So, besides just this friendly "howdy" to Dave, I suppose I would ask him, if it's not a touchy topic, about Gerhard. He was also very pleasant and accommodating that year, and I was surprised to read about his leading Aardvark-Vandheim. None of the online media provided the circumstances for that split, so, if he feels at liberty to discuss it, I would like to hear it in Dave's own words.

Thanks!

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 From:  jorge f. muñoz (YORKO)
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Mr. Sim,

First of all let me tell you that I'm a huge fan of your work, looking forward to GP, so this leads to my first question,What is the process for an issue of Glamourpuss? I'm interested specially in the writing part, since I'm trying to make the artist to writer/artist transition myself, and it is a bit daunting.

Also, you are my favorite letterer of all time (sorry Mr. Klein!) you did so many innovative things with the lettering in Cerebus, and I kind of feel bad that GP is going to have a computer font, but, your other projects are going to be hand lettered?

Thanks in advance, and good luck with Glamourpuss and all your future endeavors

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 From:  THE Derek (DEREK_MCCULLOCH)
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932.15 
Hey Dave -

In accordance with time-honoured tradition, I'll come nowhere near the topics at hand and ask about something frivolous.

I remember about a generation ago at a party in San Diego hearing you elaborate on a theory about Gilligan's Island being a secret history of the Kennedy years. I don't remember how you said Mary Ann fit into all this. Do you?

(A few years ago a novel along similar lines came out...Gilligan's Wake, by Tom Carson. Not a great book, but if by any chance the subject still amuses you, you might want to seek it out.)

Best,

Derek

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 From:  Glamourpuss (DAVE_SIM)
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Hi. Well, here we are. Thanks to Rantz for the waffles. The apple butter and honey combo was a nice surprise.

Anyway, before we get started, since I suspect most of this will center on how to become a success in the comic book biz -- either as a self-publisher or as a freelancer -- I've always said that the most important and most often underrated route to success is, simply, reliability.

Shared Risk, Shared Responsibility and Shared Rewards. If you are entering the comic book field on the creative end, you have to realize that what you are doing is participating in the day-to-day business of roughly 3,000 other businesses -- that's how many comic book stores there are. With a handful of exceptions, these guys are all incredibly reliable: that's why they're still in business after four years, eight years, ten years, twenty years. A big part of any success story is just showing up for work in the morning and then giving it your level best from the moment the door opens to the moment the door closes.

Put as plainly and as simply as possible: if we had even half the work ethic on the creator side that we see on the retailer side, this business would be functioning at a much higher level of success.

When you solicit a book in PREVIEWS, you are asking 3,100 retailers to Share the Risk with you that there's an audience out there for what you do. You're asking them to bet $5 or $10 or $15 on what you do, usually based on a cover reproduction the size of a postage stamp and two lines of copy.

If you're one in a hundred guys whose book actually clicks: the retailer sells out of the three copies or five copies he ordered, you have now Gone to the Show, you are playing in the Bigs with Neil Gaiman, Jeff Smith, Brian Michael Bendis and everyone else. There is no other field in he world where that opportunity exists.

That's were Share the Responsibility comes in. If you take your entree, your entry level success and fritter it away being a Cartoon SuperStar at every convention that summer and don't even get started on your second issue until Christmas, then you have not only frittered away your chance, you have frittered away the investment in you of 3,100 other businesses.

If you let anything get in the way of getting your book out on time, what you are doing is saying, "I choose to be a failure. I had the chance and I blew it and I have no one but myself to blame." Whatever you think you're saying, whatever excuses you come up with (and anything besides "Here's my new issue, right on time" constitutes an excuse. There is no REASON that qualifies) that is what you are ACTUALLY saying.

Okay. As Joe Matt used to say, "I love talking to Dave. It's like this exhilirating Nuremberg Rally".

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 From:  Glamourpuss (DAVE_SIM)
 To:  jorge f. muñoz (YORKO)   11 Feb 2008
932.17 In reply to 932.14 

The conflict between hand-lettering and a computer font, for me, gets settled by the fact that as a writer I can "letter" the book and then change things right up to the last minute. When you hand-letter something, you have to "settle for" whatever you've hand-lettered more often than not, or make a correction that fills the same amount of space as what you're taking out. What the writer has to say is more important than what the letterer's lettering looks like. I'd consider doing a computer font of my own lettering, but frankly -- when it comes to basic narrative lettering -- Joe Kubert buries my stuff six ways to Sunday.

I still do speciality lettering in glamourpuss. But the style is modeled on the great photorealist newspaper strips which all had Ben Oda or Ben Oda looking lettering.

Secret Project One is done with Joe Kubert's compute font as well.

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 From:  Glamourpuss (DAVE_SIM)
 To:  THE Derek (DEREK_MCCULLOCH)   11 Feb 2008
932.18 In reply to 932.15 

Hi Derek.

The Skipper is JFK, Gilligan is RFK, Mr. and Mrs. Howell are Mr. and Mrs. Joseph P. Kennedy, Ginger is Marilyn Monroe, Maryann is Jackie and the Professor is Robert McNamara.

The idea is that it's the Kennedy White House from McNamara's point of view. He's the computer genius, he's the normal one, all the rest of them are cartoons of one kind or another.

The most dispassionate metaphor, I think, is the Munsters. Herman is JFK, Lilly is Jackie, Grandpa is Joseph P. Kennedy, the kid is JFK Jr. and Marilyn is Marilyn Monroe -- the only actual normal one in a family of out-and-out monsters.

I can't believe you remembered all that for that long.

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 From:  RAZORBLADES & HURRICANES (RANTZ HOSELEY)
 To:  Glamourpuss (DAVE_SIM)   11 Feb 2008
932.19 In reply to 932.16 
Hey Dave welcom to my little world here on the web... I TRIED for Pumpkin Butter but that fucking waiter... he never listens, always thinks he knows better than me. *I* know the difference between Pumpkin Butter and Apple Butter and I ASKED for PUMPKIN.

Oh, and don't even get me started on the look I get when I attempt to order Huckleberries...

*ahem* I have have 3 hours sleep... deadlines. Aptly named bastards. On the positive side, I was so 'head down' in said deadlines, I failed to note that here in the US it is 'president's day' which means it's a 'sans school' day for the progeny... meaning I'm at home in the robe... working on comics and typing here on breaks.

If you let anything get in the way of getting your book out on time, what you are doing is saying, "I choose to be a failure. I had the chance and I blew it and I have no one but myself to blame." Whatever you think you're saying, whatever excuses you come up with (and anything besides "Here's my new issue, right on time" constitutes an excuse. There is no REASON that qualifies) that is what you are ACTUALLY saying.

The regulars here will attest that in various forms I try to make this point rather frequently, especially confronted with the 'how are you supposed to find time to do the book AND market it? I can't do that, there's only so many hours in the day, blah, blah blah' To which I usually respond 'You fucking MAKE the time.'

To me, it was a lesson hard-learned (and as Derek can attest, one I STILL am far from perfect on) but if I drop the ball now, I don't make excuses. So what if I have a day job, or four kids, or sickness in teh family, or multiple deadlines, blah, blah blah... none of that matters sweet FA to the retailer OR the consumer. To them it's just another lazy ass creator not delivering when they say they will. Or worse, the book comes out and no ones know because you 'couldn't find the time' to push it/promote it.

The greatest thing (to me) about comics is you can tell stories limited only to your imagination, without being limited by budgets, or company mechanations, but the flip side of that is that the success for DOING a book outside of the narrow channel of mainstream 'normal' lies on YOUR shoulders as a creator, and you can't blame 'the man' for keepin' you down. It's the closest thing we have to a democratic art form... so get out there and 'stump' for you platform/book.

ok, going to work for a bit now...


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 From:  THE Derek (DEREK_MCCULLOCH)
 To:  Glamourpuss (DAVE_SIM)   11 Feb 2008
932.20 In reply to 932.18 
Well, truthfully I forgot about it until I read Gilligan's Wake, and then I couldn't get it out of my head what a great lost Cerebus storyline that might have made.

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